SNOWDEN CONDRUM;How NSA can save their asses
EDWARD SNOWDON NSA SysAdmin
goes rogue.
He has all the cards.
NSA is playing catch up.
As SysAdmin he had access to everything.
NSA doesn't know what he took with him
or what he intends to release.
He gave up a luxurious life style, $125,000
a year, great career and pole dancing girl
friend, living in Hawaii.
All major considerations, he is very serious.
His biggest concern,fear is nothing will happen.
He plans on releasing secret operations
until there is significant public discussions
about the loss of American rights.
The Government has set precedents for
killing Americans with out trial, judge
jury or any rights guaranteed by the constitution.
Even secret arrests of Americans and detention
with out charges, attorney,judge or jury.
Add to that an Surveillance State and you
see Snowdon's point.
Internet Anthropologist Think Tank: Obama gets Osama Bin Laden; but he gets ALL
He expects NSA and CIA to fight public
discussion tooth and nail.
And will dribble out secret ops until he gets
his public discussions.
The pressure will be ramped up slowly
till the discussions come. Each op more
salacious then the last, hard body blows
for NSA and CIA.
As sysadmin he has access to everything.
NSA and CIA's WORST NIGHTMARE.
The sooner these discussion start the more
secrets NSA and CIA will keep.
On the other hand Obama will have already
signed is death warrant if it looks like he might
fall into enemy hands, for reasons of
National Security.
Russian, FSB and Chinese, MSS have on a full
court press to try and capture him.
Edward is betting his life he knows how
to circumvent NSA and CIA and duck
FBS and MSS.
He cannot go unpunished others may follow
suite.
He can limit damages if he halts disclosures
if he gets his public discussions, maybe save
his own life and NSA,CIA save secret ops.
NSA and CIA are not the bad guys, they
are protecting Americans, their job.
Question has the Government let
it go to far.
Since 911 seventeen Americans have been
killed in America in 12 yrs by terrorist.
Are all these extreme methods still needed?
When will Americans get their privacy back?
When will the Constitutional protection be
reinstated?
What Ed did was illegal, but is the constitutional
violations any better?
These laws are legal, Congress says so.
The same Congress that gave BANKSTERS
a free pass for sub-prime,stealing homes
with fraudulent court docs, 472% usury
interest charges and no criminal charges,
the Government bailed them out with our
tax dollars AND gave them $700 billion
tax write off.
MAY I SAY "WHAT THE FUCK".
I TRUST OBAMA; but he has set precedent
for ''Mr. Nixon Romney Jr.' to take over
the Government through legal assassinations
and legal secret rendition, using the surveillance
state to pick targeted dissents.
Its not out of control yet but it could become
so and legally done.
TIME TO DISCUSS THIS.
The way out for everyone.
Gerald
Internet ANTHROPOLOGIST
We tweeted this June 9 while he
was still talking in Hong Kong.
UP DATES;
See comments at bottom or;
http://warintel.blogspot.com/2013/06/snowden-condrumhow-nsa-can-save-their.html
goes rogue.
He has all the cards.
NSA is playing catch up.
As SysAdmin he had access to everything.
NSA doesn't know what he took with him
or what he intends to release.
He gave up a luxurious life style, $125,000
a year, great career and pole dancing girl
friend, living in Hawaii.
All major considerations, he is very serious.
His biggest concern,fear is nothing will happen.
He plans on releasing secret operations
until there is significant public discussions
about the loss of American rights.
The Government has set precedents for
killing Americans with out trial, judge
jury or any rights guaranteed by the constitution.
Even secret arrests of Americans and detention
with out charges, attorney,judge or jury.
Add to that an Surveillance State and you
see Snowdon's point.
Internet Anthropologist Think Tank: Obama gets Osama Bin Laden; but he gets ALL
He expects NSA and CIA to fight public
discussion tooth and nail.
And will dribble out secret ops until he gets
his public discussions.
The pressure will be ramped up slowly
till the discussions come. Each op more
salacious then the last, hard body blows
for NSA and CIA.
As sysadmin he has access to everything.
NSA and CIA's WORST NIGHTMARE.
The sooner these discussion start the more
secrets NSA and CIA will keep.
On the other hand Obama will have already
signed is death warrant if it looks like he might
fall into enemy hands, for reasons of
National Security.
Russian, FSB and Chinese, MSS have on a full
court press to try and capture him.
Edward is betting his life he knows how
to circumvent NSA and CIA and duck
FBS and MSS.
He cannot go unpunished others may follow
suite.
He can limit damages if he halts disclosures
if he gets his public discussions, maybe save
his own life and NSA,CIA save secret ops.
NSA and CIA are not the bad guys, they
are protecting Americans, their job.
Question has the Government let
it go to far.
Since 911 seventeen Americans have been
killed in America in 12 yrs by terrorist.
Are all these extreme methods still needed?
When will Americans get their privacy back?
When will the Constitutional protection be
reinstated?
What Ed did was illegal, but is the constitutional
violations any better?
These laws are legal, Congress says so.
The same Congress that gave BANKSTERS
a free pass for sub-prime,stealing homes
with fraudulent court docs, 472% usury
interest charges and no criminal charges,
the Government bailed them out with our
tax dollars AND gave them $700 billion
tax write off.
MAY I SAY "WHAT THE FUCK".
I TRUST OBAMA; but he has set precedent
for ''Mr. Nixon Romney Jr.' to take over
the Government through legal assassinations
and legal secret rendition, using the surveillance
state to pick targeted dissents.
Its not out of control yet but it could become
so and legally done.
TIME TO DISCUSS THIS.
The way out for everyone.
Gerald
Internet ANTHROPOLOGIST
We tweeted this June 9 while he
was still talking in Hong Kong.
Snowden to disappear; G http://t.co/SsXwvvPZdb
— Anthropologist (@Geraldanthro) June 9, 2013
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Our sources; #snowden escaped w/ 4 laptops, that would be alot of proof, MSS,FBS scrambling to seize him, lap tops, all heavily encrypted, could Russia/China make him give up password? YES, WILL BE HUGE INTEL LOSS TO USA,NSA, CIA at flank speed, unlimited resources, G
Our Sources ; $ million $ reward for his location, contact FBI, G
.......4 lap tops, heavily encrypted, Russia/China make him give up password:NSA,CIA flank speed, unlimited resources, G
#Snowden 4 note books, 480 gb,= 4,036,608,000 thats over 4 billion pages of text, @BarackObama @StateDept #NSA #CIA #FBI, G
#SNOWDON Can you & NSA, CIA TALK,a deal on public discussion? concern abt security of 4 notebooks,G @ggreenwald Can U check he is safe, regularly? not kidnapped?
HONG KONG;FBS,MSS & FBI,CIA agents flood city on QT, #Snowdon safe? He has had 4 yrs to plan this,time will tell. If he just disappears he lost,Big Q will be WHO HAS HIM.
Russians or Chinese will make him
give up pass words to 4 encrypted note books. Chinese using hundreds of
agents.
G
Snowdon first thought about this 4 yrs ago, he has 4 yrs to plan & research this, we estimate his chances of Not being seized by Chinese MSS at 50%. He was former CIA agent & has had access to ALL CIA methods for setting up safe house
& security, would he commit suicide
if Chinese capture was eminent? Unknown, he is dedicated,realistic, G
Noise & Chatter we picked up Snowdon
may have thermite attached to notebooks, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-ckechIqW0 G
Right now, "Hong Kong" is the most heavily surveilled; (internet & cell phone,)in the world, NSA, MSS,with hundreds of ops teams, Snowdon, G
#Snowdon as SysAdmin he only left tracks he wanted NSA to find,as SysAdmin he can erase all tracks, G
#Snowdon picked Glenn Greenwald, The Guardian, as well as Barton Gellman, a reporter for The Washington Post. Based on NSA FILES, G..............
Did Snowdon pick Hong Kong because Obama meeting, to discuss Chinese computer hacking with President Xi Jinping? His Goal "DISCUSSION" G
Snowdon big Q; Funding, where is he getting his money from now? G......
#Snowdon more likely in Japan than Hong Kong, Beltway source, G
Beijing will step all over Hong Kong to get Snowdon & his 4 notebooks, G
Snowden exposes issues in Hong Kong-Beijing relations, He read NSA ANALYSIS ON HK vs Beijing http://mg.co.za/article/2013-06-17-snowden-exposes-issues-in-hong-kong-china-relations/ …
NOTICE: NSA says they don't read Americans emails, they didn't say they don't make copies of ALL American emails G
OOOMG,SNOWDEN using comms places him at WHOLE NEW THREAT LEVEL, as former NSA SysAdmin may have access to NSA,CIA,FBI,DHS networks,backdoors, G
SNOWDON's chat & Boston bombing show limits of STATE SURVEILLANCE, G
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WTF SNOWDON will be online today from 11am ET/4pm BST. live chat , FBI,NSA,CIA,FSB,MSS hunt him and HE CHATS, HUGE PARADIGM SHIFT, WOW, G
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
SNOWDON IS ON LINE,,, OMG, either cell phone or WWW, both same, NSA CYBER BATTLE SHIPS AT FLANK SPEED, EVERY THING THEY HAVE GOT,ENGAGED, G
China's state media says extraditing Edward Snowden would be 'unwise'.
COVER for his arrest,claim he is seeking asylum,while they work him for PW TO HIS NOTEBOOKS, G
SNOWDON in his public Lulzsec period, clock ticking, days,weeks,months, G
NSA leaker Snowden says more's coming.Will be released at most inopportune moment,Whats Obama got scheduled? LAST leaks; China meet, G8 meeting, NEXT? G
There is only ONE way China will give up Snowden...If they already have SysAdmin privileges on NSA, G
#Snowdon is going to be one hell of a trial--with the entire US security program and Patriot Act on trial as well.
Maybe NSA will train SysAdmin's on compliance, oversight, FISA and WARRANTS, LEGAL SIDE, G
FISA? NYPD expands surveillance net to fight crime‘Domain Awareness System,' mobile terminals IN PATROL CARS http://reut.rs/19nuLme
FISA? NYPD expands surveillance net to fight crime as well as terrorism - http://goo.gl/news/BM8W Ahhh Haaa, NSA NEXT @BarackObama
NSA provides Congress with a special immunity to its surveillance. Immunity doesn't mean they don't collect your comms,G
U.S. will ask Hong Kong to detain Snowden for 60 days making a formal extradition request, treaty signed between the two countries in 1996.
NSA assumes Hong Kong or MSS have a line on Snowdon, G
#Snowdon 's silence after NSA public hearing? He is waiting for specific event to release more Info, G
Noise, chatter, Snowden in Hong Kong police safe house,if true MSS has copied 4 notebooks?How good was encryption,can Snowdon keep PW secret, G
Hong Kong 426 sq mi, seven million people, NYC: 6,720 square miles =18.9 million people, HK WOW pic.twitter.com/5Lbl4HY2Jp
South China Morning Post reported that Snowden was not detained or in police protection. G
Back Channels; MSS wants key logger put on Snowdons notebooks, G
Hong Kong & China back channels red hot, working out details, access to Snowdon, and note books,G
past 20 yrs,government has racked up remarkable convictions; federal court in VA Because of its speed, the court is a "rocket docket"., G
#Snoiwdon has sought legal representation from human rights lawyers, G
MSS backing up Hong Kong cops , rendition very difficult, hi risk, China pulling strings, playing 'Good cop' not to stir up Citizens, G
#China to keep Snowdon, in Hong Kong on invisible leash, objective 'turn him', yrs, get much more if friendly from Snowdon & World points saving him from big bad NSA, G
NSA response to Snowdon sharp, honest, gave him some "discussion" he wanted & POV from NSA, OVERSIGHT,LAWS,JUDGES,CONGRESS,
examples,maybe some info what they can't do even if they have technology. Can Snowdon prove NSA did what it said was illegal? Would SysAmin know about warrants issued to allow actions that look illegal? Search warrants,legal court ordered wire taps?
Next move Snowdons, did he hear NSA? G
#Snowden, 4 notebooks, one for his general use,one for leaks for traveling Obama, one for China? one for Russia? G
#SNOWDEN 's plan falling apart, HK encouraged him to leave, testing Russian waters, PARLAY, ? G
China serious abt US relations, NK bomb and kicked Snowden out, G
China let Snowdon leave; either they got copies of notebooks oR have SysAdmin privileges on NSA NETWORKS, G
Hong Kong encouraged Snowden to LEAVE, G
SNOWDEN LEAVES HONG KONG ON COMMERCIAL FLIGHT TO MOSCOW Flight SU 213
"The Government of Ecuador has received an asylum request from Edward J. #Snowden."
Ecuadorean Ambassador told reporters he would hold talks with Snowden and Sarah Harrison, a WikiLeaks representative.
Taking bets will Russia allow Snowden to leave ? even odds, G
WORLDS MOST POWERFUL ANTI-TERROR FORCE can't stop Snowden flying world, China ,Russia, Cuba, S Amer. NSA anti- privacy pgms effective? G
@BarackObama where is Interpols RED LETTER on Snowden? fishy, G
Taking bets will Russia allow Snowden to leave ? even odds, G
If Snowden switches sides or is forced we will be able to tell. #opsec, Cause Stockholm syndrome, months to effect, G
#Snowden 's HD ok, "THEY" can't break NSA encryption,could copy HD w/o OS,ALSO need remote keylogger to get PW, NB may have defense,destruct functions, G
Can copy HD by taking box apart, note book may not be defense-less, loaded w/ invisible persistent threats.
As the crow flies, Moscow is 5952miles to Cuba. Aeroflot;s best plane has range of 14.500 miles.That 4 stop overs, FBI waiting, G
#Snowden not going to Cuba, Moscow to Cuba is 4 stops w/o any country to extradite him? Fake passport/disguise, fly under some elses name? Some where else or maybe private jet? Alleged trip to Cuba just a false lead? G
@Geraldanthro;
U.S. urges Russia;expel Snowden http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/24/politics/nsa-leak/index.html …
Do it, instant demonstrations in USA,CONFRONT CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES,Ed's & NSA's JOINT TRIAL,G
Is this #Snowden 's plan or is he winging it? 4 yrs in planning, include; alternates & back up plans? TTC will tell, (time to capture),G
Snowden leaves Hong Kong on his own accord: BS, HK asked him to leave,G...arrives in Moscow with WikiLeaks help
HK stalled US told #Snowden leave or eventually we will arrest you for deportation, FIRST FAIL, G
Snowden activates Plan B; Russia.
Plan A: failed; Hong Kong, G
he would fly to Cuba today and then board a flight to Caracas, the Venezuelan capital.
Ed spend the night in the airport's transit zone because he did not have a visa to enter Russia and had rented a room in a capsule hotel.
Washington had revoked Snowden's US passport.how he flying? Another countries pass port, G
US asked Russia to expel Edward Snowden -- Russia said he had committed no crime on Russian soil and that no request was recvd from Interpol
Dmitry Peskov, the Kremlin spokesman, had repeated that Moscow would consider any asylum request from Snowden.
What is flight path of Snowden's plane? Any one know? Russian air port flooded w/ FBS & cops, G
Snowden 's plane, G pic.twitter.com/blL7fUyEuw
US has extradition treatys w/ 109 countries, G
@interfax_news "Snowden is probably already outside the Russian Federation. He could have flown on a different plane",
OR
HOLDING HIM
G
Russia doesn't have cyber capability China has, Stuxnet etal scares hell out of Russia,they LOVE Ed, G
What is world coming to; China doesn't want NSA SysAdmin , G
Paradigm Intel points to Snowden being STILL in Russia, voluntary or abducted by FBS?
Putin can be bribed, will he turn Ed over to US when they are done with him? G
They need PW can't break NSA encryption ON NOTEBOOK with out PW, G
Pres George Washington & Abraham Lincoln put American's at risk to protect RIGHTS, @BarackObama puts rights at risk to protect Americans,G
lying RUSKIES;
SNOWDEN WHO?"we have no information about him,” Dmitri S. Peskov, spokesman for President Vladimir V. Putin. BS They know exactly where he is & what happened, G
Nikolay N. Zakharov, a spokesman for the Russian Federal Security Service, or F.S.B., declined to say if intelligence officials had met with Mr. Snowden
Guardian; "whereabouts of Edward Snowden were unknown," Missed check in time w/ Guardian reporter.
This is BAD,
G
Russia; he landed and some how just disappeared, didn't stay at transit zone hotel either. MYSTERY G
Flight time; Moscow to Cuba, 12 hrs, 23 mins, light to Havana that leaves Moscow today at 2.05pm (11.05am BST).
If not heard ftom him by AM Tues
then Ruskies got him.
Earliest hear from him 1:00 AM BST,
G
Russia’s SVR (Foreign Intelligence Service), FSB and GRU (military foreign intelligence service) “are headed by professionals” and will not reveal any information on possible contacts “for the next 50 years.”
Director of National Intelligence, the U.S. is engaging the Russian government at the highest levels to try and accomplish two things: Keep Snowden on Russian soil, and then get him handed over to the U.S.
Snowden 'Safe & Healthy': says #Assange ??? Snowden in hands of SVR (Foreign Intelligence Service), FSB and GRU (military foreign intelligence service)
Julian Assange; "Edward Snowden was safe and healthy, in a safe place." Putin called Ass-Strange, ROFL ,G
Snowden cracks in SVR (Foreign Intelligence Service), FSB and GRU interrogation, "showing of the instruments" = PW , G
Russian cyber forces are the same quality as the rest of their military , cyber troops mostly turned RBN Russian Business Net guys.
Stuxnet et al sends chills down their spines, real inferiority complex.
Snowden is their best wet dream so far, 'WOOD' fills Kremlin,plan,
wring Ed out or
get into NSA encrypted notebook/
G
China hackers, top line, not all that interested in Ed. been on NSA network, got copies of Ed's HDs,
Russians can do dirty work, get PW out of Ed. Now get Snowden to Russia w/o kidnapping him?
G
Russia will turn over Snowden after they get notebooks PWs.
US will make concession to Putin to get Ed back.
Putin eminently bribe-able,
TTC weeks, (time to capture)
G
Where Is Edward Snowden? Ecuador Foreign Minister Says He Doesn't Know
Guardian; We don't know,
Asstrange "I know" like they are going to call him on phone & tell him?
USA;NSA; He is in Russia.
Russians (lying) "we have no information about him,” Dmitri S. Peskov, spokesman for President Vladimir V. Putin. BS They have him. G
If Russian Intel let Snowden & notebooksa walk the Kremlin will have them rope dancin.G
Some day we will see Snowden's note books in Russian Intelligence Museum.
Touch them for me, G
USA to Russia, "look at all your options then give us Snowden" translation; take the notebooks ,get PW, then give us Ed, G
Putin;Russian security forces have not been "working with" Snowden hope incident would not "affect cordial nature of our relations with US" SATIRE, G
Russia FSB has capability to secretly deliver Snowden to any nation after they get notebooks PW
Chris Isaak - Baby Did A Bad Bad Thing [Uncensored]:
http://youtu.be/abzK_jZdKFw
via @youtube 4 Snowden, G
Snowden has no, NONE, agents names, not even SysAdmin has PW to those files, G
Putin""I myself would prefer not to deal with these issues. It's like shearing a piglet: there's a lot of squealing, but there's little wool,"
Both China & Russia acting like Snowden didn't have anything,
G
Did CIA station in Hong Kong erase all Snowden's notebooks?
Could be done thru wall from next door.
China Russia acting like it, G
Has Snowden become a wart? Neither China or Russia want him,did Hong Kong CIA station erased his HDs? G
Snowden silent since Russians got him, Guest or prisoner? G
"#Snowden hid copies of secret NSA documents in case something happens to him " Julian Assange did same thing,how'd that work out? G
Snowden; PANICKED; jumped gun, fears prison w/o PC
http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1268168/snowdens-last-72-hours-hong-kong-dramatic-events-prompted …
Snowden “is a free man, and the sooner he selects his final destination, the better it will be both for us and for him,” Putin
This is good sign,G
Looks like both Russia & China will refuse Snowden sanctuary, @BarackObama should be PLEASED, G
Ecuador would lose 40,000 jobs if trade preferences aren’t renewed by US Congress, Ecuador’s Ambassador Nathalie Cely said last year.
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#Snowden hid copies of secret NSA documents in case something happens to him " Julian Assange did same thing,how'd that work out? G
U.S. State Department said diplomats and Justice Department officials were talking to Russia, suggesting they sought a deal to secure his return to face espionage charges.
Putin, who last week was smarting at being isolated over Syria at a summit of the G8 industrial powers and sees Washington as an overzealous global policeman.
Edward Snowden is said to be spending his third day in hiding & SILENTS, GUEST OR PRISONER? G
Dmitry Peskov, the Kremlin spokesman, had repeated that Moscow would consider any asylum request from Snowden.
Russia's President Vladimir Putin assured the world Tuesday that his security services have not worked with Snowden.
Nikolay N. Zakharov, a spokesman for the Russian Federal Security Service, or F.S.B., declined to say if intelligence officials had met with Mr. Snowden
Putin""I myself would prefer not to deal with these issues. It's like shearing a piglet: there's a lot of squealing, but there's little wool,"
Snowden “is a free man, and the sooner he selects his final destination, the better it will be both for us and for him,” Putin
"One of the highest targets [for foreign intelligence agencies] has always been the NSA, one of the hardest targets for them ever to penetrate,"
China kicked him out, Russia talking to him for 3 days now,
G
Ecuador's foreign minister said Wednesday his government could take months to decide whether to grant asylum to fugitive U.S. National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden.
Putin;, Saying the russians will not turn him over. Also telling snowden publicly, it's time to go.
The State Department said diplomats and Justice Department officials were talking with Russia, suggesting they sought a deal to secure his return to face espionage charges.
"If Russian special services hadn't shown interest in Snowden, they would have been utterly unprofessional," Igor Korotchenko, a former colonel in Russia's top military command turned security analyst, said on state Rossiya 24 television.
Pressure builds on Snowden as his
sanctuary plans collapse. One after another,
Other countries wary, China, Russia don't want Snowden, whats wrong with him.
3 days under FSB interrogation or
3 days calling for reservations?
G
Snowden has made major miscalculations,
China got into Snowdens hard drives and were not impressed with content or Snowden, his spy currency is lacking, Russian assessment concurred, & their cyber forces are behind China's.
Ed picked poor reports, reports of no use or stuff they knew.
They looked at intel on hard drives and China gently lured Ed to Russia the next day.
Russia much the same but taking longer to get rid of Snowden.
Concern: the length of time it took China to get into HDs.
If Ed gave them the pass words
not a problem, if China cracked NSA encryption in one day its problematic.
Snowden has no good options, Russian Airport maybe the best
he can do. And Putin will tire of him.
Neither China or Russia impressed with Snowdens skill levels. No interest in him.
We still maintain Ed's TTC with in weeks. (time to capture)
G
Obama Says He Won't 'Horse Trade' for Snowden - http://goo.gl/news/S9Qq translation: Putin asked way too much, first round, G
@BarackObama says no to Putin's first request in trade for #Snowden China,Russia maybe USA doesn't want Ed, Putin maybe stuck with him, G
Snown's room $231 per day, charged by the hour, G http://eng.v-exp.ru/services/prices2011/ … …room pic.twitter.com/vpH8KVspNM
#Putin Russia produce healthy #Snowden FSB has had him for 4 days incommunicado, G @MedvedevRussiaE
A document leaked to Univision on Wednesday showed that someone at Ecuador's consulate in London did issue a safe conduct pass for the fugitive on June 22, as he prepared to leave Hong Kong. The name of the consul general, Fidel Narvaez, was printed but not signed.
"Any document of this type has no validity and is the exclusive responsibility of the person who issued it."
Some in the government are believed to be annoyed that Julian Assange, the WikiLeaks founder who has sheltered at Ecuador's London embassy to avoid extradition, has seized the limelight in the Snowden saga. Assange caught Quito by surprise last week when he announced Snowden had been given a safe conduct pass. Quito replaced its ambassador to London earlier this month in hope of better managing its famous guest.
Correa:"He appears to be weighing the political and public relations benefits against the real consequences for Ecuador's economy, should he grant the asylum request."
The renunciation underlined divisions within Ecuador's government between leftists who have embraced Snowden as an anti-imperialist symbol and centrists who fear diplomatic and economic damage.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/27/ecuador-us-trade-pact-edward-snowden
SNOWDEN DAD approaching DOJ for terms for Ed to return to USA, G
Snowden also said he had told Attorney General Eric Holder that his son would be willing to return to the United States if "the Justice Department promises not to detain him before a trial nor subject him to a gag order. He also wants his son to select where a trial would take place."
DAD Snowden said he is concerned his son is being manipulated by WikiLeaks.
DAD; "I don't want to put him in peril, but I am concerned about those who surround him," he told the network. "I think WikiLeaks, if you've looked at past history, you know, their focus isn't necessarily the Constitution of the United States. It's simply to release as much information as possible."
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/06/28/196565320/nsa-leakers-father-snowden-betrayed-government-not-the-people
Snowden Sr. intends to send a letter to the US Justice Department and attorney General Eric Holder through his lawyer later on Friday.
@BarackObama "I shouldn't have to call Putin or Xi Jinping" about biggest leak in NSA HISTORY, Barack whats going on? Major dissonance,
Its your job.
G
POTUS; Your statement is dubious,problematic,astucious,deceptive, disingenuous,furtive, guileful,mendacious,stealthy,wily.
US needs some transparency here.
G
Sources in side beltway says CIA or NSA got to Snowden's notebooks, which is why China, Russia or Obama are NOT SO INTERESTED in Ed, let Russia keep him, Obama not interested in trade NOW.And Ed maybe willing to deal w/ DOJ, no CARDS,no place to go G
gOOGLE pissed at IATT; gOOGLE has throttled our hits down to almost 0, for past 5 days. NSA hooked to every thing U do with them, U trust Google? G
Ecuador President: Snowden Can't Leave Moscow - http://goo.gl/news/b7C8
Correa said "the case is not in Ecuador's hands" and said Snowden must assume responsibility if he broke U.S. laws, G
Ecuador President praised Vice President Joe Biden for what he described as a courteous and appreciated half-hour call about Snowden
"told VP we would analyze his opinion, which is very important to us,"Correa he had demanded the return of several Ecuadoreans who are in US
Assange says NSA leaker Snowden 'marooned' by US in Russia: 'He's being put through a meat grinder'
Julian Assange LIVING IN 'HALL WAY": Snowden living at airport, US 2; THEM -0
Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro, who praised Snowden as “a brave youth” and offered to grant him asylum, is scheduled to arrive in Moscow on Monday for a two-day official visit. There has been speculation that Maduro might offer to take Snowden back to Venezuela on his official jet.
http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-putin-edward-snowden-20130630,0,4101207.story
#Snowden to attempt escape Russia to Venezuela Tues.July 2,13
G
NSA Leaker Snowden Applies For Asylum In Russia, Report Says http://n.pr/17yGIF2
"If he wants to stay here, there is one condition: He must stop his work aimed at harming our American partners, as strange as that sounds coming from my lips," Putin said
'Asstrange' says Snowden can't stop leaks.
Could be false, cover for run to Venezuela, Tues, July 2,13.
G
This could be start of new era of cooperation between Russia/USA
Snowden met Monday with Russian diplomatic officials at Moscow airport, handing over a request for political asylum to 15 separate countries
#Snowden;"Obama administration has now adopted the strategy of using citizenship as a weapon"Ed is loosing it,no threat to his citizenship,G
"#Snowden (unwound)accuses Obama administration of using citizenship as a weapon'LIE, revoked only passport as charges pending still a citizen.
G
Snowden's SOS "The documents outline the risks of persecution Mr Snowden faces in the United States and have started to be delivered by the Russian consulate to the relevant embassies in Moscow."
The petitions on Snowden's behalf were made to Austria; Bolivia; Brazil‚ China‚ Cuba‚ Finland‚ France‚ Germany‚ India‚ Italy‚ Ireland‚ Netherlands‚ Nicaragua‚ Norway‚ Poland‚ Russia‚ Spain‚ Switzerland and Venezuela‚
G
Under Lincoln 600,000 Americans died fighting for US rights, under Bush 3,000 Americans die & @BarackObama nullifies rights in face of terrorism. Civil war vets spinning in graves, G
http://warintel.blogspot.com/2013/04/obama-gets-osama-bin-laden-but-he-gets.html
Surveillance Alert; #Snowden, missing 8 days,NO confirmation-texts are his,no live interview,no video even,wikileaks not reliable witness,in full SPIN mode,ED still missing,G
#edwardsnowden should really consider Abbottabad. Real estate advice: avoid homes with open fields, get area with lots of tree cover.
#SitRep Snowden may try to escape to Venezuela today, Tues, private jet, G
Venezuela offers Edward Snowden hope of asylum , Pres of Venezuela leaving Russia today, Tues. private jet.
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Snowden; Bags packed ready to go; Leaving On A Jet Plane - John Denver: http://youtu.be/19ToC8pQrCY
Nope Bolivia Pres plane search dry run for Venezuela Pres to smuggle Ed out, G
President Rafael Correa told AP that the country’s ambassador had seen Snowden once in Moscow.. FSB HAS him? No one seen him for 10 days.
Text not proof he isn't prisoner.
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#Snowden made gross miscalculation about American influence world wide, trapped himself in Moscow w/ FSB babysitters, G
Moscow controling #Snowdens comms, Ed's last news release contained no revelations, G
ie Putin to Snowden, 'stop releasing US secrets'.
Ed what do the hallways look like in Venezuela embassy, in Moscow? Bolivian jet stop was rehearsal for Venezuela Pres flying Ed out, G
Bolivia leaked Ed was on Jet in back channels to see what would happen, if they had no problems, then Ed would fly out of Russia with Venezuela Pres.
NSA bit stopped Bolivian Pres plane, Snowden won't be flying out on Venezuela Pres Jet.
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Venezuela, Nicaragua offer asylum to NSA leaker Snowden
Russian Official Says Venezuela Is the ‘Best Solution’ for Snowden http://nyti.ms/152kVmL FSB, sure, wink, nudge
No contact with Snowden since asylum offer: Venezuela http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-usa-security-venezuela-20130705,0,1825939.story … FSB, wink nudge
No one has SEEN Snowden in 2 weeks, G
would the United States go so far as to force down a commercial jetliner once it crosses into American airspace, Snowden, Boliva , G
Snowden to escape in chartered jet, not likely, no political fallout if forces down private vs Russian air liner, G
How Snowden escapes, G pic.twitter.com/oq7oVDmUo0
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Cuba is the only country in which Snowden could land safely in a commercial plane without facing extradition but would have to pass through U.S. airspace or that of a U.S. ally whereby it could be forced to land prematurely.
A private jet is considered the best bet for Snowden but it is likely to cost in the region of $200,000 to charter and would need to be of a certain size in order to reach Caracas the long way round without refuelling.
So far, Venezuela has yet to offer to cover the cost of Snowden’s journey, meaning he will have to rely on either a private donor or Wikileaks to stump up the money.
A Gulfstream V jet would be up to the job but it then becomes a question of how many are available in Russia and who would be prepared to face the wrath of America by loaning one to its most wanted man.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2358872/Runaway-spy-Edward-Snowden-formally-accepted-asylum-Venezuela-WikiLeaks-reveals.html
China & Russian response to Snowden confounds logic,reason,sets off thought ALARMS "THIS DOES NOT COMPUTE"odour of FISH MARKET, dead whale,G
Why wasn't Russia or China interested in Snowden didn't have any
thing the Chinese or Russians didn't already know, China copied Ed's hard drives & shared them w/ Russia, China let Ed leave, they made copys.
Russia had to except Ed to get their copies of hard drives from Chinese.
Ed now has only negative value for Russia, damage to American relationship, so they put breaks on Snowden's exposea.
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Any one heard Ed has proof Stuxnet is American? G
Snowden was insistent that it's impossible for information in his possession to be obtained by enemies of the US
#Snowden;"You may rest easy knowing I cannot be coerced into revealing that information, even under torture." NAIVE BS, G
torture comment;Greenwald what Snowden meant was that he doesn't know how to get at the files himself, ?? have to think abt that,G
@Geraldanthro It could be m/n encryption - you need m out of n keys to decrypt, he only has one key, greenwald and maybe others have m-1
@daniel_bilar "they' torture him for names of those who have keys,force Ed call &get rest of keys,Is info worth anything if ed cant get it?
no intelligence service – not even our own – has the capacity to compromise the secrets I continue to protect.
NSA's problem isn't vetting, its the complaint dept. Make it friendly or await #Snowden2 Now all complaints go to jail, G
Snowden used m-n encryption on all his hard drives, kind of like multiple passwords to open files, which means Ed himself can't open the files by himself, And using NSA's top flight encryption neither China nor Russia can open files, of course they surreptitiously made copies for their code breakers to work on, NSA knows it would take decades to decode the files.
This make lots of sense and explains why neither China or Russia have any interest in Ed
He can't open the files himself, he has to call on others for the other sections of password.
And as Ed can't open the files their isn't much interest in him, except politically, and may be more trouble than he is worth politically.
Ed as SysAdmin saw the files, programs but did not use them.
He has no idea of safe guards built into them or legal requirements to activate them.
Its like reading the space shuttle instruction book, I have one, but that doesn't mean I can
fly it to the moon.
Ed is making alot of assumptions about programs he has never actually used.
It doesn't mead Ed is wrong about NSA's capabilities, it means he can't be certain.
G
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